chrishoffman — 2014-08-25T06:50:07-04:00 — #1
Originally published at: http://www.howtogeek.com/195224/macs-are-pcs-can-we-stop-pretending-they-arent/
There was a time when Macs and PCs were very different, but they’re now basically the same. Open a MacBook up and you’ll find the same hardware you’d find in a PC Ultrabook.
fhunter — 2014-08-25T08:23:16-04:00 — #2
I am not sure that macs work well (from the user point of view) with linux/windows. I still remember cursing at one button touchpad, while working with windows. And cursing again at software dvd eject button when on linux. I know, it can be set up properly, but still.
jmbpiano — 2014-08-25T10:29:12-04:00 — #3
To be fair, I remember cursing at the one-button mouse when working with MacOS, too.
Apple's approach to the mouse has always sucked. I always found it hilarious that most of the Mac fans I knew at college had Microsoft mice hooked up to their rigs.
fhunter — 2014-08-25T10:35:16-04:00 — #4
MacOS at least has ctrl-click, which is equivalent to right clicking, if I remember correctly.
whs — 2014-08-25T10:42:58-04:00 — #5
Except for the price.
dwayne_scribner — 2014-08-25T10:45:51-04:00 — #6
It is Apple that won't let us forget they are "different" because you have to have separate training and certifications to work on their hardware professionally. This, along with their attempts at being such a "closed system" are the things that make me dislike them. This is not to say that I have any problem with others using them if they like them. I'll stick with generic hardware and the OS of my choosing though, thanks.
wilsontp — 2014-08-25T11:43:43-04:00 — #7
IMO, the distinction is purely one of convenience; it's easier to say "PC" than "Windows Compatible Computer."
Yes, a Mac can run Windows, but people don't usually buy a Mac to run Windows full time. They buy a Mac for OS X.
1stkorean — 2014-08-25T13:45:43-04:00 — #8
We all know Steve Jobs is nothing but a couple of hand fulls of dust right now, but if he were to see this article he would literally be blown away.
c1on3r — 2014-08-25T16:39:49-04:00 — #9
"The last version of Mac OS X to even run on PowerPCs at all was Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard back in 2009."
As far as I know (And I'm a windows guy), wasn't the OS X Leopard 10.5 last edition of Mac OS X than ran on PowerPC architecture !? On the other hand, I'm actually certain that 10.5 Leopard was the last OS X that supported PowerPC architecture.
kizo2703 — 2014-08-25T18:42:25-04:00 — #10
I have a MacBook Pro, and I use OS X and Windows in dual boot.
techthuggee — 2014-08-25T21:50:19-04:00 — #12
"Practically" and "basically" the same is not the same. What if I don't want a dual boot system? What if--for some reason--I want a Windows only system on a MacBook? Apple's OS is still tied to its hardware. I remember Mac clones. Mac users abandoned Apple in droves once they didn't have to buy overpriced hardware to get the OS. Apple's hardware is more expensive because Mac heads really can't go anywhere else if they want the OS (that, and much smaller market share)..
I can find a version of Linux to run as the sole OS on a PC. Yes, all cars are basically the same. Technically a Kia is like a BMW. Has anybody used that to sell either?
vgamesx1 — 2014-08-25T23:11:31-04:00 — #13
yeah, I would say the main difference here, is that I can go install Windows or Linux onto basically any computer whereas, OSX not so much.. of course there are Hackintosh guides, but I'd say until Apple officially adds the drivers and allows you to install OSX onto any hardware, even AMD's then I prefer to consider them to be a completely separate type of computer, seriously now.. an OS shouldn't be tied down to a single set of hardware, that's basically what a console is.. a locked down, walled garden, yet the difference here is..? that obviously you have a desktop environment instead of a clunky controller based one, so that's all I want from Apple, let me install OSX onto anything I want to use it on.
kizo2703 — 2014-08-26T06:23:39-04:00 — #14
For that, all You need are Bootcamp drivers.
kizo2703 — 2014-08-26T06:25:36-04:00 — #15
It'll never happen.
BTW, OS X can be installed on (almost) any Intel PC, just can't run. For that, it requires only one kext (driver) and bootloader.
wilsontp — 2014-08-26T11:51:28-04:00 — #16
Once you've created a Bootcamp install disk, you can completely remove or wipe the drive with OS X on it. You don't need MacOS on an Apple at all, once you have the drivers you need.
twdfw — 2014-08-26T16:36:44-04:00 — #17
The Devil's in the details, Chris. I bought a mid-2012 MacBook Pro (MBP) so I could upgrade the memory and replace the HDD with an SSD. I installed Windows 8 (now 8.1) using Bootcamp. Both OS's work fine. BUT... when I'm using Windows -- even to simply read email in Firefox -- the top surface of the MBP gets uncomfortably warm. My palms and forearms rest naturally on this surface when typing, and it's like they're laying across a heating pad set to medium. I've configured Power Mode to "Balanced (recommended)", where the CPU is supposed to vary from 5% to 100% depending on demand. I have yet to run a demanding Windows program on this thing but I bet it'll really heat up then!
Another item of note is that the top surface near the power and LAN jacks gets HOT. That's not a source of discomfort but it is another indicator that the MBP and/or Bootcamp does not make an ideal Windows laptop. I suspect an OSX feature that's missing in Bootcamp is the ability for the MBP to switch between the Intel and Nvidia GPUs (just a guess based on the heat and the fact that only the Nvidia GPU is listed in Device Mgr).
Lastly, a minor gripe: when a new version of Bootcamp comes out there's no documentation available on upgrading one's Bootcamp partition with newer drivers. Every attempt I've made at getting Apple Support for Bootcamp-related questions has met the same roadblock: "we don't support Windows", which I interpret to mean "We don't support Bootcamp". So be prepared to be receive no Bootcamp-related support from the start.
vgamesx1 — 2014-08-27T01:08:41-04:00 — #18
I know it probably won't happen, I'm just saying.. I refuse to consider it the same thing until then, because that's sort of the direction OSes seem to be heading, that and I guess you missed the part where I said yeah I know you can do that... and not "almost" any intel based PC would work with OSX, less than half the motherboards you could possibly purchase can actually run it or are hackable to do so, thus if you don't plan ahead and/or already own a fairly high-end motherboard, chances are a tad slim you're going to be able to do it, unless of course you want to go through the trouble of supporting your own board.. so in summary, its mostly more trouble than its worth.. might as well just get a Mac.
kizo2703 — 2014-08-27T13:22:21-04:00 — #19
Well, you certainly won't install OS X on a Celeron or Pentium dual-core with 2 GB of ram and a 32 bit only board.
There are countless Hackintosh forums where you can find out more about the compatibility of individual components or laptops with OS X.
And that's not a problem to anyone who wants to have OS X, and doesn't want to pay cheaper components three times more expensive, just because the packaging has an apple on it.
antony_clements — 2014-08-28T03:53:55-04:00 — #20
Apple has always made PC's, ever since it started. PC is an acronym for Personal Computer. If it's for personal use it is by definition a PC, regardless of what's under the hood. It is far more descriptive to describe the machine based on the OS, windows machine, OSX machine, for the above reason that PC is a generic term that covers everything regardless of branding.
antony_clements — 2014-08-28T04:04:04-04:00 — #21
Correct, 10.6 was Intel only.
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