akemiiwaya — 2014-05-29T13:20:32-04:00 — #1
Originally published at: http://www.howtogeek.com/189951/just-how-do-macs-and-pcs-differ/
The eternal debate…Macs or PCs. Both have loyal fan bases that love each for various reasons, but if you look past that, what is it that really makes them different from each other? Professor Tom Rodden explains the differences between PCs and Macs in today’s video from Computerphile.
ronreb — 2014-05-29T15:02:58-04:00 — #2
Anyone ever run into many Mac users that have more than the rudimentary skills of using their Macs? When I ask them a question about a Mac, most of them tell me to go to the Apple store and ask them. Some even tell me to find out the answer for them. Maybe that's why Apple products are so popular with many people who don't mind paying extra for Apple products. Microsoft is a lot more open source than Apple but it seems Apple product purchasers don't want to know how their Macs tick. If it gets any more complex than the interface, they go the "Genius" section at the Apple store. I am not willing to pay extra for a device that is so proprietary that the vendor needs to be contacted for every little thing that goes wrong and every device you want to connect to the Apple product. I'll let the lemmings of the tech world do that because apparently they want things just to work for whatever they're doing at the moment. Anything beyond that is a matter for the "geniuses".
wilsontp — 2014-05-29T16:25:46-04:00 — #3
Every Mac program, every iPad App, and every iPhone app were written by Mac users. Many of the people I know who use computers every day, including programmers, web designers, and professional artists use their Macs and would easily be considered power users.
My experience has been that people who know computers, know computers, and get along fine on any platform. The ones who don't know computers act like you describe on any system, be it PC, Mac, Linux, or their smartphones.
ronreb — 2014-05-29T17:32:39-04:00 — #4
I guess if any power user wanted to find a solution to any problem on any platform, they would create a search string that might answer their questions. A pity I run into so many people that bought the latest Apple product, went to class at the Apple store but still don't know Jack. Professionals are an entirely different lot altogether and are enthusiastic about knowing their purchase inside-out. I must implore though why Apple makes it so difficult to use other devices which may not be "Apple-certified" then? It seems most devices are out of bounds for Apple products only because Apple made it so. Is there always a work-around for a device not "certified" by Apple even though it gets glowing reviews? How many vendors actually include installation software for devices to be used on Apple products unless the products are blessed by Apple? I guess the Apple consumer has to do research before buying just any device to complement his Mac? A few times I've had to get a special app for a client that will make the device compatible but you have to pay for it as well. It seems to me you're out of luck unless someone makes an app for the device in question.
wilsontp — 2014-05-29T17:49:09-04:00 — #5
A device does not have to be Apple certified to work with an Apple computer. As has been rather abundantly pointed out elsewhere, an Apple computer is really just a PC with a specialized UEFI BIOS, and OS X is really just a grandchild of OpenBSD Unix.
What companies have to pay for are two things:
The Apple LOGO on their box. When a company puts the Apple logo on their box, they have gone through certification testing to ensure that the device meets Apple's standards of quality. Microsoft has basically the same licensing program, and if you see a "Designed for Windows" logo on a box, Microsoft has certified a device.
Any proprietary, patented hardware designs. The Lightning connector, for example, is a patented Apple design. In fact, Lightning connectors actually have a chip inside that disables the connector if Apple blacklists that serial number (which Apple will do for counterfeit devices; I've already run in to counterfeit Lightning cables at the local 99 cent store. Yes, I bought a couple, and they did not work.)
michaeltunnell — 2014-05-29T18:07:38-04:00 — #6
I'll just copy and paste the comment I made previously on this video:
This guy is wrong on so many levels...
Apple doesn't make their own hardware, they comission it to be made.
Apple doesn't make money on their software. They recently started giving out upgrades of OSX for free.
Apple is a hardware company only in the sense that they make money on selling hardware...they are more of a Packaging and Marketing company than anything else.
OSX is based on BSD so they didn't even make their own software...they tweaked it.
The Window Manager is not the highest level...applications are higher than Window Managers. You interact with an app through a window manager but you can't have app interaction without having the Window Manager first.
"Microsoft can't test it on every single possible machine" - they don't have to, the OEMs do that...and actually they are gigantic to the point they genuinely could test it on them all if they wanted to.
"Their not as optimal at that point or smooth at that point" - total bullshit...Linux doesn't even get installed on machines by the OEM and yet Linux kernel supports all the hardware at amazing levels including USB Drives, Printers, etc all without any kind of driver needed to install.
"And they are relying on device drivers" - more bullshit...just because Apple controls it all in the backend doesn't mean that you aren't using device drivers. Hell, Linux doesn't use device drivers for much of anything except Wireless, Graphics, etc but Linux also has open source solutions to this that covers even MORE hardware with even "legacy" hardware.
"you will see updates and reinstalling...mostly that is invisible in Mac"...that means nothing...it is still being done, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it is more efficient. "It feels nice and more efficient" Just because it feels more efficient doesn't make it more efficient!
"you only have one machine that it runs on so Mac are accused of being more expensive" that has nothing to do with it. They make it more expensive because they can...the hardware is inferior to PC hardware and the EXACT same hardware can be purchased away from Apple which is how Hackintoshes are possible. (another total bullshit comment)
Linux is NOT a port of Unix. Linux was inspired by Unix and uses some Unix ideas but the code is nothing to do with Unix...again more bullshit.
"the advantage with Linux is that it is open"...that is one advantage but he ignored the VAST advantages of Linux over Mac or Windows and focuses on the "modifying" aspect...which is only important to a small range of people.
"It is championed for keeping computer systems and the internet being open"...that is not why it is championed, I mean that is true but not why it is amazing. Do me a favor. If you are going to half-assed mention Linux then just don't mention it at all.
I think I tore apart almost every aspect of what was said and that is disappointing considering this channel is suppose to be teaching people. Misinformation is what they are teaching.
ronreb — 2014-05-29T21:52:55-04:00 — #7
Well, now someone else is in the mix but I'll just leave my last thoughts that, while Apple and Jobs were using the cheapest labor they could find and hoarding a mass amount of profits in offshore banks, they were suing everyone for patents like "rounded corners" that they felt they invented. What about all the technology Jobs and company claimed from companies like Xerox who didn't sue? Heck, Jobs wouldn't even support a woman who bore a child from him. Sure, Apple goes out of their way to make sure their products are difficult to duplicate and even re-creates new ones so they can charge exorbitant prices for things like a lightning cable that only work on the next generation of products which are slightly improved so their fan base keeps buying a new flavor every 6 months. Their products may be good but their business model is strictly capitalism in the purest form. How shallow are the fans that stand in line for hours some overpriced trinket of electronic jewelry?
wilsontp — 2014-05-29T23:00:38-04:00 — #8
Semantics. Most electronics manufacturers outsource the actual fabrication, but that doesn't mean that Apple doesn't make their computers in every meaningful sense of the word.
Which you can only buy if you own a Mac. So the profit margin for a Mac covers future OS upgrades... break it down however, you like, but the combination of software and hardware certainly makes money. So they gave me 2 upgrades of OS X since I bought my Mini... Microsoft has also given me 2 upgrades to Windows since I installed Windows 8. Can you say Microsoft isn't making money on Windows?
No, they can't. When you consider all of the manufacturers, models, and types of hardware components out there, there are literally billions of combinations. How is one company going to test that?
Welcome the world of class drivers and of open source. Just because thousands of people collaborated to write the drivers that are included in the distribution doesn't mean there's no driver.
The Linux kernel was written from scratch, but the specifications and API's are based on Unix. It's more fair to say Linux is a Unix clone. "Ported" is the wrong word, but the intent of the statement is correct; Linus literally set out to write Unix on PC's. Since there was no free Unix on x86 at the time, his kernel was obviously written from scratch.
Also, it's worth noting that the tools that are part of a functioning Linux computer, the shells, the utilities, and the GUIs were written by other people and were originally pulled from Gnu Unix. In any meaningful sense, Linux is a Unix derivative, plain and simple.
Again, WTF? Apple's computers are built by Apple and its contractors from scratch. Do they manufacture the CPU's and chipsets? Not for their laptops and desktops, but they make the CPu for the iPhone and iPad. They fabricate the motherboards (of their own design), the cases, the software, the keyboards, the mice, the touch screens, the power supplies, the... well, need I go on? Are Dell and HP just "marketing and packaging" companies? How do you even define a hardware company if not by that measure?
The EXACT same hardware is inferior? What? In what world does that statement make sense? And no, you can't purchase an Apple motherboard from anyone but Apple. Hackintoshes work because hackers replace part of OS X's code with code that's been hacked to ignore the Trusted Platform Module (or however Apple uniquely identifies a legit Apple motherboard.)
Also, if you consider what you get on a vanilla Mac, you get a bunch of stuff that PC users have to pay for. Garage Band alone would cost around $100 on a PC. Then there's the office stuff that comes free (bought a copy of MS Office lately? Did you spend LESS than $300?)
IMO, the biggest reason Linux has lasted 15 years is because it's free. If desktop Linux cost money, it would have died right alongside another superior operating system, OS/2. Why is Linux in cable boxes, toasters, routers, microwave ovens, cell phones, cars, airplanes, the International Space Station, and even watches? Because money. It's cheaper to use a free operating system than to write one from scratch.
wilsontp — 2014-05-29T23:05:14-04:00 — #9
Yup. That's one of the reasons I stopped using Apple products for a while. Then they started making computers in the US and adopting policies requiring better workplace standards and wages. So I started buying Apple again - not all Apple, but I have a couple iPads, an iPod Touch, and a Mac Mini.
That's why I loved Samsung's ads for the new Galaxy. Apple intentionally creates shortages up front to get those big lines, then makes a big deal about how big the lines are. I seem to remember other cellphone manufacturers outselling Apple's iPhones and not doing the whole standing in line thing.
I'm not particularly a fan of Apple's practices and corporate arrogance. That doesn't mean that they don't have some good hardware. Still, this patent situation lately has gotten ridiculous. Patenting the little "bounce" at the end of a scrolling action? I think that's gone too far.
ronreb — 2014-05-30T09:00:12-04:00 — #10
Yes, I own the new and possibly the last iPod Nano. The reason? Microsoft dropped the ball so badly with the Zune, cheaper than the iPod but horrible when it came to battery power and performance, so I finally relented and admitted that the program coding on the iPod was superior to Microsoft's. I will never forgive Microsoft for their inept response to Apple's success in the area of mp3 players. I also bought iPads for my wife and daughter and they love them. I am glad there's competition so the consumers can choose what's best for their needs. I'm more of a practical person and wish Apple would get more in line with the prices in the market place. I may even build a Hackintosh in the future so I can cut my teeth on Apple's operating system. Sure, there are different camps in the technology industry and that's a good thing. If the consumers win a small victory, I'm all for it. 'Nuff said.
system — 2014-06-08T13:20:37-04:00 — #11
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