straspey — 2013-04-23T12:21:29-04:00 — #1
By HGT "Geek" standards, I would have to say that my computing life is fairly simple.
Both my wife and I have desktops, tethered together in a network. We do the basic stuff - Email, surf, shop - I do some music, while my wife does her photography, etc. I am vigilant about updates and security - but past that, I don't mess with the system unless there's a problem.
That being the case - when we are finished for the day - usually at bedtime - we both shut our systems down, completely - even to the point where we shut off the power strips to which the modem and router are connected.
Since my wife is at work all day, her system remains dark until she comes home in the evening - while I will shut down, for instance, when I leave later today to go to rehearsal.
I'm aware that some people NEVER turn off their systems - some left running for years.
So - just for the heck of it:
Do you shut off your computer(s) at the end of the day ?
Why ? or Why not ?
jfitzpatrick — 2013-04-23T12:49:38-04:00 — #2
At night I hibernate all my work stations (effectively saving the working state for the morning) because there is no reason to leave them on overnight.
I never shutdown/sleep/hibernate my home server. It runs 24/7 doing various tasks (downloading content, uploading backups, etc.). I ran the calculations some months ago but essentially if I shut down the home server every night for the period we were all asleep (~8 hours) I'd save maybe $30-40 worth of electricity expenses over the course of the year but I would incur all sorts of inconveniences. The downloading, unpacking, uploading, and other connection/CPU intensive tasks would no longer be taken care of at night. The daily shut down/startup puts extra stress on the server (a spinning disk is a happy disk) and so on.
Regarding your setup, however, there's nothing wrong with turning your computers off at the end of the day. As for unplugging your modem/router... given how little energy such devices consume (the two of them together probably consume less than 20w of power) and the amount of time you lose every day waiting for them to start up and begin serving data and such to the network... its probably worth leaving them on all the time.
seggy — 2013-04-23T13:09:48-04:00 — #3
My desktop (Mac Pro) is almost never off. It does go to sleep/hibernate, but I never explicitly tell it to do so. It'll come out of sleep for incoming ethernet connections.
The reason I do this is now mostly out of habit for a couple of reasons.
First, I hate waiting for a computer to boot. Now that my machines have SSDs and can boot in 8-10 seconds, this isn't so much of an issue.
Second, while in grad school, before the advent of Dropbox or Google drive, I used to store all my work on my own ssh server. This was my way of ensuring I could get to it anywhere in the world. I also ran secure VNC. Of course, the computer had to be on for this to work. So it was.
When I was writing my dissertation, I got Dropbox and Evernote, and they made it ten times easier to just be able to sit at a computer and do my writing, but I was still leery of storing my precious thesis on those services, so I would stil commit all my work to my mercurial server on my home machine.
Even though I have far less use for a home server — my trust in Dropbox and Evernote is pretty high these days — I still occasionally have a need to access my home materials that I don't store in a public cloud. So I have a hole punched into my home network (on a non-standard port) that directly forwards to ssh on my home machine and I still access it.
I do put my laptops to sleep when I'm not using them though.
iszi — 2013-04-23T13:39:59-04:00 — #4
The only time I fully shut down my computers is for troubleshooting or updating. Otherwise, they're either fully live, sleeping, or hibernating. I don't like waiting longer than I need to for the system to boot, and there's really not much to be gained anymore by completely shutting down just because it's the end of the day.
nsdcars5 — 2013-04-23T13:53:38-04:00 — #5
I used to, but my laptop is now hosting a WordPress site, so I won't be doing anything but all-night stands and the good old weekly reboot.
xhi — 2013-04-23T16:42:49-04:00 — #6
I never shutdown any of my 7 systems, period. Only in the very rare case that I move their location or there is a power outage. Monitors are set to be turned off as opposed to sleep or hibernate which I never use. They go bad at the worse times. Any of my computers in the office, livingroom, bedroom and kitchen are only a mouse wiggle away from live. This method of doing things also allows for backups and updates to occur at a time that it does not interfere with my computing pleasure.
One time several years ago when I was going away for a few days I turned them off. Upon return one would not restart. This cured me of ever turning them off.
But, if worry that the minor amount of electricity used will enlarge your carbon footprint and/or causes you heart failure, or you are being nagged by your environmentaly wacko neighbors, by all means turn them off. I am also available 24/7 to repair them.
straspey — 2013-04-23T17:02:34-04:00 — #7
When I get up in the morning - usually after making my wife her tea - I turn on the surge protector under my desk, which wakes up the modem and router. I then immediately press the power button on my PC and it begins to boot up. By the time it arrives at the login screen both modem and router are up and running - so the time is not really that big of a factor for me.
I certainly understand those people who are running servers, or multiple systems - would never want to shut down. But for me, it's a relatively simple undertaking.
FYI - Our microwave oven in the kitchen remains unplugged, except for those (brief) times when it is actually in use.
When I tell this to people, they often react by saying - "But...what about the clock ? Don't you have to re-set it every time?" -- And I tell them, "No - I don't need my microwave oven to tell me what time it is. We have clocks in our home for that."
You should see the look on some of their faces - almost as if they're about to dribble.
xhi — 2013-04-23T17:28:39-04:00 — #8
Well in my case I just roll over in bed, shake my mouse and I'm on the computer. No need for coffee or getting out of bed for that matter. My mouse hand would twitch violently if I had to make coffee before checking HTG. That comes much later in the day. I use the on screen keyboard since sitting up to use the regular keyboard does not come for an hour or so.
themike — 2013-04-23T17:51:46-04:00 — #9
using linux i have no reason to keep it running. i shut it down every night and when i leave.
straspey — 2013-04-23T17:52:40-04:00 — #10
As I recall, there's a character in the book "Gravity's Rainbow" - by Thomas Pynchon - who has connected his television set with wires to turn on the instant he opens his eyes.
That was back in he days before PC computing too.
xhi — 2013-04-23T18:24:02-04:00 — #11
I never turn off my TV either. No telling when I will wake up and want to watch it. As a matter of fact I have onre in every room I have a computer in so I don't miss anything when going to the kitchen for a cup of coffee.
njmakunura — 2013-04-29T00:57:25-04:00 — #13
i always turn my computer off after use, because it has this really annoying fan and you only need to knock the mouse to wake it back up again. also, my siblings would be "having fun" on my computer. not great when you find all your settings and file locations have changed.
vaibhavgarg1982 — 2013-04-29T03:50:16-04:00 — #14
A waste is a waste, no matter how you slice it. It's simply criminal to be using resources when they may well be put to a better use elsewhere.
nanogeek — 2013-04-29T11:25:15-04:00 — #15
Well, @xhi pays for these 'wasted' resources, so he can choose how to use them.
xhi — 2013-04-29T13:55:43-04:00 — #16
To paraphrase an old saying, One man's waste is another man's treasure.
Just a note, when I was in grade school in 1946 I remember being told that it was important to conserve coal since it was scheduled to run out in the late 1980's. Hmmmm.
nanogeek — 2013-04-29T14:02:47-04:00 — #17
But then, other sources were found... Gas, Nuclear, and the other one I forgotten.
We also have got renewable forms now such as hydroelectric, solar etc.
xhi — 2013-04-29T14:14:06-04:00 — #18
My point exactly. There is still plenty of coal. So my computers stay on. And I'll bet my great, great, great, great, great, grandchildern's computers will be too.
hcl — 2013-04-29T23:20:15-04:00 — #19
As far as I am concernd, I would shut down my computer because the noisy makes me cannot sleep well.What' more ,I think it will takes many energy ,so it can raise the fee of electricity.
nsdcars5 — 2013-04-30T12:53:53-04:00 — #20
I NEVER shutdown my laptop at night. I either keep it on all night, or hibernate it (usually the latter).
xhi — 2013-04-30T14:08:33-04:00 — #21
If your computer makes noise it needs repair.
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