whs — 2013-04-09T13:52:10-04:00 — #21
That's my main problem with cloud backup. My images are 10 to 30 GB on average and besides the length of time it takes to upload them, there is just not enough space in those clouds. My local disks are 500GB on average (at least 1 for each of the 6 PCs) and I do not see any clouds in the near future that would be able to replace those - nor do I see an internet that will quickly shove 30GB to the cloud.
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T13:59:55-04:00 — #22
The danger of free cloud back up is those sites tend to be emphemeral. They have a nasty tendency to disappear with little or no warning; people have lost a lot of data, especially photos because of that. While the paid sites are far more reliable, they aren't failure proof and even they can disappear or change operating parameters. Mozy is a good example of that. They used to offer unlimited backup at a flat rate, same as Carbonite, but they recently downgraded their service to a tiered setup where more storage costs more. That's one example why redundancy is so vital. Having backups in one place is risky; the very minimum for a reliable back up scheme (keep in mind, a back up is essentially a duplicate of stored data) is one onsite and one offsite although having only one back up is still better than nothing. Storing only original data anywhere is risky yet that's what many people do, then cry when that data is lost.
Ok, that totally cracked me up! Thanks for the laugh!
All seriousness aside (or something like that), how much time people spend in time and money for backups should be determined by how valuable the data is to them.
geek — 2013-04-09T14:05:13-04:00 — #23
Agreed. There's no such thing as free backup, and you have to pay for quality.
- If you are using an external hard drive for your backup, you paid for that. How much did that cost you?
- If you are using cloud backup, you probably need to pay for quality backup from a reputable provider.
And if you are using some old hard drive for backups, you'll be sorry, because it will probably die at some point.
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T14:08:56-04:00 — #24
I recently read about Mega in a magazine and plan on looking into it (it's still pretty new and the owner's previous attempt at such a service resulted in failure, mostly due to users using it illegally). I would use it only for temporarily backing up photos when on a trip (assuming I have internet access). I do that now with Amazon's Cloud Drive, mostly because it was already there in my Amazon account, but that is only 5 GB and if I ever needed more (so far I haven't), I would have to buy it. Btw, it's not necessary to install Amazon's little program to use Cloud Drive.
Anything I send to the cloud is a duplicate of what's setting on a drive on one of my computers so access is not an issue. Cloud services are great for backups but should not be depended on for the only storage of data (for that matter, nothing should be the only place data is stored). If the service (HDD, DVD, whatever) that has your only copy of data should fail, you are S.O.L.
xhi — 2013-04-09T14:18:36-04:00 — #25
Father, Son, Grandfather folks! The tried and true way. One on the computer (Son) One in the local fire-proof safe (Father) and one in the bank vault, or at least off site.(Grandfather) Rotate them as often as you like. Son becomes father, Father becomes Grandfather, Grandfather is the new son.. Do it monthly that's ok for me, but could be weekly or even daily in some circumstances. They won't all break at the same time. Having just one backup is almost as good as having none.
Backups are also no good if you have never restored one to check that it works and that you actually know how to do it.
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T14:22:04-04:00 — #26
Hence the need for redundancy.
I am using two used (yes, I tested them) and one new HDD for backing up the C;/ drive on my desktop. Since I have the installation files backed up in four places and still have the original disks for the OS and some of my programs (which can also be downloaded in a pinch), if somehow I was to lose all three of my backup HDDs, I'm still covered.
My desktop has a 2.5" hot swap bay and a 3.5" hot swap bay that lets me use internal HDDs for back ups. Internal drives cost less, don't need power supplies, don't need cables to hook them up, and take up much less room. I store the HDDs in a drawer that has an antistatic foam "egg crate" to protect them and wear anti-static gloves when handling them (I can be very shocking ). When transporting drives to and from the credit union (have to make a trip today), I put them in heavily padded individual transporter cases. They stay in those cases until I bring them back home. All the drives I'm using for data backups are new but even new drives can fail (have had it happen), hence the redundancy.
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T14:32:45-04:00 — #27
My scheme is similar except I only keep originals on the computer and all back ups are external. By rotating them as you do, you not only ensure that the backups are reasonably up to date but also that the drive the back up is on is still working (they can die just setting somewhere). I use Macrium Reflect for backups, both image and clones, and have it set to verify the back up (sure, verification takes longer but it's not like I'm sitting there watching and waiting). Excellent advice about doing a restore to ensure it works and one knows how to do it.
mdknightr — 2013-04-09T14:33:18-04:00 — #28
Which is why I sync my data with more than one machine. I'd never even think of keeping anything unique on the cloud.
cyber — 2013-04-09T14:34:14-04:00 — #29
It is indeed an issue for me because I access my files (except for the digital maps stored on Mega) stored in the Cloud from 4 devices: 2 laptops, a tablet and a smartphone so I need access the the file itself on my laptops, not to a copy of the file because when I update a file it has to be the same on all my devices.
mdknightr — 2013-04-09T14:38:11-04:00 — #30
Sounds to me like you need to synchronize, and Wuala is great for that. It keeps a copy and synchronizes updates to local files with all other devices you dictate.
tonyp — 2013-04-09T15:09:49-04:00 — #31
This is what I have done for years and I have never lost any data. I use my system for home and business purposes.
I use local and cloud backups. Everything runs automatically.
For my basic computers, I have a system drive and a data drive in the PC's.
I back up data automatically, using Genie TimeLine Professional (They have a Free version), to a NAS unit daily which uses RAID 5 on my home network.
I have a second NAS unit (RAID5) that replicates the 1st NAS daily.
I know having 2 NAS units seems a bit overkill, but I had an experience with a bad firmware update that took the first NAS out of service. The manufacturer pulled the update.
Next I use Ghost to image the entire PC's, system and data drives on to external eSata hard drives. Ghost imaging runs automatically once a week. The drive retains an original clean vanilla image, and 4 complete images at any time. I have Ghost configured to run a monthly backup to retain 12 months of data backups.
Review and TEST the backups regularly.
I also use Dropbox and Skydrive for cloud access to any device. All the data I want available online is kept in Truecrypt encrypted containers that protect all my documents. No worries due to, oops we've been compromised!
I also use Scooter's "Beyond Compare" and Auslogic's "Duplicate File Finder" to keep file duplication (other than backup copies) to a minimum.
tonyp — 2013-04-09T15:31:36-04:00 — #32
You will need DSL, cable or some type of high speed internet service.
The first upload will take a few to several days depending upon your data size. After that you are just uploading your changes and versioning. That is minimal upload time.
Many companies offer a type of shuttle service. They send you a hard drive in the mail and you make your backup to it. Then you mail it back to them and they place the data online in your account. Then your data backs up the changes on your computers to your online account.
As for having 6 computers, there are several plans and reasonably priced as long as you are not trying to backup a server. They offer unlimited computers with an available backup amount of, for example of 250GB of data.
Cost is relative to the importance of your data.
Using local and off-site backups may be your preferred choice though.
cyber — 2013-04-09T15:31:43-04:00 — #33
Thanks for this. I downloaded and installed Wuala in my 4 devices to try it and so far it seems quite good. I can see Wuala drive in both my laptops.
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T15:41:00-04:00 — #34
You got that right. The initial upload (203 GB) from my new computer to Carbonite took two weeks (about what I expected). Fortunately, that's a one time upload. After that, the only data being upload is newly created or changed data.
iszi — 2013-04-09T15:44:53-04:00 — #35
Every time I hear that, I can only think of this.
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T15:46:50-04:00 — #36
Another facet of back ups I failed to mention is versioning. Versioning means keeping earlier versions of files that are changed. By keeping earlier versions of files being worked on, if something goes horribly wrong with a change being made, one can revert to an earlier version to recover. Carbonite keeps copies of earlier versions for 30 days.
(Disclaimer) I do not work for Carbonite nor have a financial interest with them. I'm just a satisfied customer.
owen123 — 2013-04-09T15:47:14-04:00 — #37
On My iMac, I backup with Time Machine, to a desktop HDD.
On My PCs, I backup every once in a while with Macrium to an External HDD.
All of my School files are synced with SkyDrive across my computers, my skydrive is 25GB through the 25GB free thing.
hermitt — 2013-04-09T15:48:27-04:00 — #38
DITTO on your whole post. I only use DropBox and SkyDrive to store screenshots and Macrium rescue disk ISO's
ladyfitzgerald — 2013-04-09T15:51:03-04:00 — #39
Nothing wrong with that. That's how my cloud back up works. I just prefer running my local backups manually. There is no need for a back up if no data has been added or changed and sometimes I create/add large amounts of data several days in a row so I need to run more frequent back ups. I also prefer to schedule my local backups for a time when I'm not working my computer on the very slight chance the tasks may interfere with each other (in theory, it shouldn't happen but then, I'm a coward).
scottyslaney — 2013-04-09T17:59:24-04:00 — #40
I don't use anything óff site'I have 2 external 1TB hardrives, simply put G backs up C (daily) and H backs up G shortly after, that way my copies are in my hot little hands and not some other faceless company, seems the world has gone mad over the çloud', wonder what will happen when the çloud'bursts and users cannot retrieve their data?
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