chrishoffman at January 7th, 2014 06:40 — #1
Originally published at: http://www.howtogeek.com/179208/5-ways-to-get-windows-7-on-your-new-pc/
Yes, Windows 7 is still available. If you want a new PC and you also want Windows 7, you can probably get it. This is easiest for businesses, but even home users have ways to get Windows 7.
nsdcars5 at January 7th, 2014 08:57 — #2
You forgot the last one: find an old Windows 7 PC, carefully take out its COA, and put it on your new PC. Now format your HDD and reinstall using the key below.
callasabra at January 7th, 2014 09:55 — #3
My Option: buy new PC, install favorite flavor of linux, Install win7 in a vm using favorite virtualizing program. There are some performance drawbacks, but those are easier to deal with than win8, IMHO.
mr_scott at January 7th, 2014 11:43 — #4
If you are going to have to suck it up and get a new PC with windows and learn Windows 8 or 8.1, why not just install Linux and learn to use it.
ruja at January 7th, 2014 12:16 — #5
As far as I know, you can't use the key sticked to a computer in another one. Those keys are manufacturer-dependant, they won't activate on a PC from another manufacturer. Can you?
Linux is out of the question here. I use Xubuntu in my netbook and I recommend it for older PCs still with Windows XP, for instance. But the problem here is that someone who uses and likes Windows 7 may want to downgrade (awful word) from Windows 8.
Another option for a student would be to find if your school has an "OnTheHub" agreement with Microsoft. You can get Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 licenses for free, and also for the server versions.
With the "DreamSpark" agreement you can access server versions only.
wilsontp at January 7th, 2014 12:16 — #6
@Mr_Scott, how about the fact that most software out there won't run on Linux?
I've used (and loved) various flavors of Linux and Unix over time, but I come back to Windows because it's still the mainstream OS, and it's still the most compatible and straightforward OS to use. Even my Mac Mini gets very little use compared to my Windows PC's.
As to "learning to use" Windows 8: after installing Classic Shell, and aside from the obvious cosmetic differences, there are no differences in day to day operations. Yes, some Control Panel items have migrated to the full-screen interface, but those are things that are used infrequently at best.
wilsontp at January 7th, 2014 12:17 — #7
I've never heard that. In fact, I've replaced motherboards on Dell, HP, and Gateway PC's and re-activated Windows for customers with no problems. I've even built whole new PC's and used their old COA's on their new boxen without any problems.
ruja at January 7th, 2014 12:20 — #8
Ok, thanks for the info. Didn't know that for sure, as I remember I tried doing that once but it would not work.
wilsontp at January 7th, 2014 12:22 — #9
I'm not saying it's impossible that there are some manufacturer specific COA's out there... but I've never encountered any...
On the other hand, re-activating a key on a new PC can be a problem; depending on how long it's been since the last activation, Microsoft may lock the key. In that event, it usually takes a phone call, maybe even a chat with a CSR, before you can validate your license.
robindebonnecoe at January 7th, 2014 15:27 — #10
To give "But the problem here is that someone who uses and likes Windows 7 may want to downgrade (awful word) from Windows 8." as a reason for why Linux is out of the question doesn't really answer the question: why is Linux out of the question?
I run Mint 64-bit and Win7 Pro and XP Pro - each in its own VM - in MInt, in order to optimally run Windows software for which there is no real 'nix alternative. Mint runs brilliantly well on an i7 laptop with 8 gig RAM, and so do the Windows versions in their respectively VMs in Mint.
Indeed, I converted the laptop from dual-boot Windows/Linux to pure Linux with VMs when the HDD packed it in, and discovered that Win7 Pro and its apps run significantly faster in a VM than on bare metal because in the VM you don't have the "anti++" (spyware, virus, yadayada) overhead.
Linux isn't just for old, lackluster machines, as you appear to suggest. It takes advantage of the latest technology to create a very satisfying experience with infinitely more flexibility and security than just Windows on its own.
corvynem at January 7th, 2014 16:01 — #11
On the other hand, if you're installing 'nix to run Windows in a VM, why not just install Windows and save the time and effort? I run a dual boot Linux/Windows laptop and so infrequently boot into Linux that I honestly can't remember the last time I did. It's a shame because I love Linux and have been using it for years, but I don't really find I need it for anything any more. Having said that, if Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice etc weren't available under Windows I'd be back to Linux like a shot.
More related to the article, I do believe MS no longer selling Win7 is a mistake on their part. It was their last decent operating system; a fact which even they tacitly recognise by providing the facility for pro users to 'downgrade' from 8. By pushing 8 (even with 8.1) so hard, I feel they continue to alienate their core markets of business and desktop users and gamers, and reinforce failure. Coincidentally my MD emailed me today about putting 7 on his recently-purchased Win8 laptop - he thought he'd have to buy it but fortunately it came with Win8 pro so it shouldn't be a problem.
ruja at January 7th, 2014 16:16 — #12
To answer your question, you still need to buy a Windows 7 license to use it in a VM. Installing Linux does not solve the problem of "Get Windows 7 On Your New PC", which is all this article is about.
And I really doubt that any OS would run faster on a VM than without virtualization. For some applications virtualization is not a possibility.
Don't get me wrong. I like and use Linux too, and I admire its security and flexibility. I just made an example of one of the reasons why I recommend it to other people because I think Linux excels at that. Security is the other big one for me. I know there are many others.
wilsontp at January 7th, 2014 16:21 — #13
Haha... thats what I say to every Mac user who says "I can run Parallels and BootCamp and still run everything you can..."
And I'm all, "And? So now you have to manage 2 operating systems instead of one. How is that easier, simpler, or cheaper?" The instant you run multiple operating systems on your PC, you've lost all of the advantage of the cheaper, simpler, easier OS.
wilsontp at January 7th, 2014 16:26 — #14
Be Careful. Your ignorance is showing. There is nothing wrong with Windows 8.1. Yes, the Start screen is ugly. Guess what? It takes 2 minutes to fix that (provided you have an Internet connection.) There may be some UI issues here and there, but aside from the ugly Start screen, it's not all that different than 7, and the desktop mode is superior to 7 in every way.
The reason MS provides downgrade rights has nothing to do with the OS. It is because large companies build a single PC system image and install that on all of their computers, company wide. Since a company may not have the ability to upgrade all of their computers to Windows 8, the downgrade license allows the company to continue to deploy a common desktop. Once the natural refresh cycle has rotated in Windows 8 capable machines, the company can do an automated update and cycle in Windows 8 everywhere.
At least that's how it works in the world of professional IT.
robindebonnecoe at January 7th, 2014 17:06 — #15
On the other hand, if you're installing 'nix to run Windows in a VM, why not just install Windows and save the time and effort?
You must have missed this bit:
Programs run faster, the whole experience in Windows in a VM is vastly superior to running Windows bare-metal because of the overhead of all that "anti"-stuff. That's why.
robindebonnecoe at January 7th, 2014 17:11 — #16
So far, you've presented all the issues users have with Win8x, but haven't really explained:
"desktop mode is superior to 7 in every way"... in every way except for the UI issues, ugly start screen, usability (change for change's sake) conundrums and the fact that you have to take 2 minutes to "fix" Win8 to make it more like Win7.
So far, I see nothing compelling about 8 at all...
wilsontp at January 7th, 2014 17:47 — #17
Windows 8 starts faster. It performs better. There's nothing ugly about desktop mode from where I sit (we already covered the Start screen), and there are apparently more hooks to allow better management from the IT side of things. There's also the integrated software store and better integration with online services.
The only significant down side is the Start screen. We've already beat that topic to death, and we both agree that it's ugly. As to complaining about installing Classic Shell... are you saying that you don't install other third party software on your Windows 7 machine? You don't use anything to improve your experience? You just take a Windows 7 computer out of the box and use it, with no additional software? No better web browser? No other tools?
In fact, my printer's drivers are included with Windows 8... so that's one less thing to install. So I'd say that evens things out on the "stuff to install" front.
macwade at January 7th, 2014 20:08 — #18
I purchased Win8 when the upgrade was discounted and it sat in the closet for a year. I dusted it off when 8.1 came out and installed on the wife's machine. And yes, I didn't like it. I did the 8.1 upgrade and it does run smother and is more reliable on the network. She likes it now that she's learned to work it, and all our software and peripherals work fine too. I picked one up on ebay (8 pro upgrade) for 60 bucks and want to install it on my G73S. Linux Mint worked OK on my netbook but the software is too limited.
Microsoft is not going anywhere and neither is Windows, you might as well embrace it.
nsdcars5 at January 8th, 2014 03:37 — #19
These Win7 vs. Win8 and Lin vs. Win debates are getting more and more common by the day. How do you guys argue so much? Nobody says you have to use Windows 8, 7, Vista, XP, 2000, ME, 98, 95, Mac OS X, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, BSD, or whatever the hell you're not using right now. Other people use what they want to, you use what you want to; why not just leave it alone?
wilsontp at January 8th, 2014 11:11 — #20
I just took exception to "Windows 7 was the last decent operating system." As a daily user of 8, I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
It's not so much a debate as confusion. I don't get how people are simplifying their lives by installing Linux... then installing Windows on top of that.
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