#1 By: howtogeek, April 6th, 2013 08:03
Originally published at: http://www.howtogeek.com/143564/5-months-of-windows-8-and-surface-rt-still-overwhelmingly-meh/
Shout “Windows 8” and you’re likely to hear “Vista” echoed back at you. For Microsoft, Windows 8 has received a Vista-like reception and it’s showing in tepid sales and an abysmal market share.
#2 By: Doctordeere, April 6th, 2013 08:21
WinRT tablets are already experiencing significant price drops - and consumers, in general, still aren't buying...
#3 By: VistaMike, April 6th, 2013 08:24
Was also reading this earlier PcWorld
#4 By: A happy, April 6th, 2013 09:03
I'm not surprised that people hate the system, it is too clunky and touch-requiring for a desktop, and too much like a computer for a tablet. There really isn't a perfect medium, and if there is Windows hasn't found it
#5 By: Taylor Gibb, April 6th, 2013 09:20
Meh, i love my Surface. People are scared of change in my opinion. Everything Windows 7 can do, Windows 8 can do as well - better in most cases. The only thing that is different is the UI.
#6 By: Jon_Tabakman, April 6th, 2013 10:21
I have Windows 8 on 5 computers. Once I installed the classic shell (its free), it was essentially an upgrade to Windows 7, but at a upgrade price of $42 a copy. Works well for me.
#7 By: Barry Evans, April 6th, 2013 10:40
I will not touch Windows 8 with a 40000 ft pole. I'll wait until they correct this mistake. I already made the Vista mistake, thank you.
C'mon, Microsoft... Was the start button that bad? I don't like the Idiocracy styled metro screen. Thank you for speeding us to that future!
#8 By: Joe_Suiter, April 6th, 2013 11:33
This has turn to Microsoft bashing if you guys don't like windows than let me ask you this than why in the hell do you all talk about windows here?If i don't like something i would not talk about it all the time.Just saying
#9 By: Lowell Heddings, April 6th, 2013 11:35
I don't think everybody here dislikes Windows, they just aren't happy with Windows 8. The fact is that Windows 8 was a huge change for a lot of people, and while the underlying operating system might be better, there isn't a really compelling reason for most people to upgrade from Windows 7.
#10 By: Michael Degatano, April 6th, 2013 11:59
Honestly, it's not as big a change as everyone makes it out to be, I find that most people that say that haven't really tried it yet (no offense to you @geek, you may have I'm just speaking generally. There's a lot of W8 bashers on the web today). If you take the desktop in isolation it's actually pretty nice, everything moves faster, it's nice and clean and there are lots of little improvements in so many different low and high level places its tough to keep track of them all.
Now here comes the elephant in the room, metro. As far as I'm concerned that whole part has one extremely serious flaw (yes just one). It's really simple, when I type to search any settings and control panel links are hidden behind a category link that I have to click. Because of that one thing I am going to have to go to an alternative like Start8 or maybe just using launchy. That is absolutely hugely annoying and I can't deal with that. I am more than willing to turn off all of metro to make that not happen anymore.
Without that metro isn't bad. It's a bit weird on a desktop yes but live updating tiles and the sidebar view are cool enough that I'd probably play around with it on a second monitor to see what I can get out of it. But that search flaw is a killer, I'm not messing around with a toy if that toy kills my core flow.
But without metro its really just a better desktop. Not $120 better but if you pulled it at a discount I'd say it's totally worth it.
Aside: I'm only talking about tech-savvy users here since this is HTG and that's what I am. Windows newbies are a whole different issue, I really think MS is kinda throwing them under the bus with W8. But fortunately I don't work for MS so that's their problem not mine
#11 By: Lowell Heddings, April 6th, 2013 12:04
I'm actually running Windows 8 everywhere, including on the MacBook Air that I am currently typing this reply on. In fact, I don't have Windows 7 running anywhere, which has been a bit of a problem for tutorials.. I need to setup a virtual machine.
Overall I'm a fan of Windows 8 and I wouldn't switch back to Windows 7. The Start Screen didn't take me long to get used to, and I don't have a big problem with the start button going away.
I just don't particularly like or use the Metro interface.
#12 By: David, April 6th, 2013 12:21
I have used every operating system that Microsoft has ever produced with the notable exception of Vista. On my main computer, I have two instances of Windows 7 running, one on a traditional spinning disk drive and the other on a solid state drive. I also have Windows 8 Pro running on another separate drive. I have the least trouble with the drive running Windows 8. As far as I am concerned, Windows 8 Pro is the best operating system that Microsoft has ever produced. It is the fastest and most smoothly operating system that I own.
#13 By: Grant Wilson, April 6th, 2013 12:55
I am so glad to see the positive statements re Win 8. If I want just Win 7 I go right to the Desktop. I do have Start 8 installed so I feel I have the best of both worlds.
My only issue is that Metro is not fully integrated with Win 7 in the background. Often I will start an action in Metro and when there is no response I will go to the Desktop and the response is there. It would be preferable to start in Metro and finish in Metro. Otherwise what is Metro for?
I am running Win 8 on my older PC and on my new ASUS Vivo Tab Smart and love it.
#14 By: Richard Slipper, April 6th, 2013 13:03
I upgraded from XP to Win8 pro. That was not the easiest path I have ever trod and eventually I had to do a fresh install, which again was not easy due to the registration issues of the upgrade.
But now that it is running - I am really pleased with it; stable, smooth, quick. I use a mix of the tile screen and the desktop. Works for me. I also run Mint11 on a laptop, that's good too but of course requires a little bit of nous to get working. (I only have a little bit!)
I've been looking at an Asus Vivobook with touch screen, and Win8 just asks to be touched on that. When my phone upgrade comes through I'm really considering a Nokia x20 series with Win8.
I think the bash MS crowd have got a roll with a few poor reviews of what I am finding to be and excellent OS.
Of course in an ideal world the OS would be totally invisible, we wouldn't care what it was and they'd all be compatible. Only data really matters.
And Apple products are great but some lack connectivity and are grossly overpriced.
But if I'm really honest I think Chromebooks and their ilk are the future. Simple interfaces with everything else in the cloud. Most of us are not quite ready for this just yet - but we will be.
#15 By: Michael Degatano, April 6th, 2013 14:41
haha yea I could see that being an issue. It's a shame they don't have a W7 emulator built-in like they did with XP in W7. I didn't use that feature a whole lot but it came in pretty handy a few times.
As for metro, I'm not in love with it either but I feel like with a couple good apps I could maybe find some use it. Or at least the running an app in the sidebar part, that's really the only part of metro I was looking forward to trying out. But the main full-screen interface seems like super overkill on a desktop monitor. That search thing kills me though. Maybe it's just me but I probably search for control panel items more than apps from the start menu because I don't use a whole lot of apps and most are pinned already.
I do also miss pinning apps to the top of the start menu with quick shortcuts come to think of it, that was really handy for stuff like remote desktop.
Speaking of remote desktop, I really think they missed the boat on that. How cool would a remote desktop live tile be? You could pin other computers and if they are accessible you see their desktop right there. And auto-add a tile for each computer added to your homegroup...
#16 By: W. Schroeder, April 6th, 2013 14:51
This is the argument that is always being brought up. But in my observation, that is not at all so.
It is the Windows Guru community that are the most vigorous refusenicks. And those are people that are used to work with all kinds of operating systems in all kinds of environments.
I think it is the application of a touch UI to the PC and the attitude of MS to 'shove it down our throat' that creates the uproar.
Anyhow, the Windows 8 sales figure (on all platforms) are dismal and maybe MS is learning the lesson. Else, they will probably go the way of many other great companies that survived only in the history books.
Thi is one of the takes after 6 months - interesting:
We know that Windows 8 has failed to reignite demand in the PC market so far and now one formerly bullish analyst says that the platform "lacks momentum" and is "challenging" his earlier optimism. ...
#17 By: Roman Berry, April 6th, 2013 15:56
From the article: "By way of comparison, an equally equipped iPad – 128 GB/Wi-Fi/Smart Cover/Apple Wireless Keyboard – is about $900."
That's comparing the iPad to a Surface Pro. There is no comparison between an iPad and a Surface Pro. None. The Surface Pro is a full fledged computer and many, many times more powerful than the iPad, capable of running any application that will run on Windows. When you hold up the iPad in comparison to the Surface Pro, you have jumped the shark.
#18 By: , April 6th, 2013 16:38
It was forecast from the beginning that the MS RT Device wouldn't make it
The Surface Pro device could make if it had More Hardware I/O, More Storage and Was Less Costly.
Of course I speak with a bias as a custom machine builder.
#19 By: Jdawg_Laurence, April 6th, 2013 16:57
A lot of this is true, but I really don't know why you compared an iPad to a Surface Pro and compared the price, when as stated many times by many people in many places, the Pro is more closely related to a Macbook Air.
"By way of comparison, an equally equipped iPad – 128 GB/Wi-Fi/Smart Cover/Apple Wireless Keyboard – is about $900."
Basically throw in an iPad and Macbook, then compare it to the surface.
#20 By: , April 6th, 2013 17:12
Apple Products are some of most proprietary products in the world so have never used them therefore can only compare by hardware specifications v. retail cost v. manufacturing cost.
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